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1997 Tiffin, Allegro Class "A" Motor Home


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Tiffin Allegro Motorhome

1997 Tiffin Allegro Class "A" Motorhome, 25' long powered by a Chevy 454 engine.

I lived in a tent for 1 1/2 years, the back of a mid-size pickup truck for 3 years and in a van for 7 years. I'm getting a little older now and would like to have a few of the comforts everyone else takes for granted.

I mentioned getting a Class "C" (with the bed over the roof) to a couple of friends when I got to Arizona for the winter. They became so excited for me that I too became somewhat excited... and here we are with a Class "A" instead.

While shopping for a Class "C" my friend Ken spotted this Class "A" and went over for a look. That night he told his wife Elaine about it and she went over to see it. She approved and the two of them ganged up on me and made me buy it.

While it is 13 years old, the Allegro has only 43,000 miles on it and is in excellent condition. Mr. Motorhome, the outfit I bought the Allegro from in Quartzsite, AZ, had cleaned up what needed cleaning, fixed what needed fixing and showed off a nice motor home.

Tiffin Allegro Motorhome

The first thing you notice with a Class "A" is how high up you are and the view you get from such a wide windshield. The driver's step is about 2 1/2 feet off the ground and you have to pull yourself up into the seat. I had to pull myself into the van also, but I could just slide over the edge of the seat to get out. I tried that with the Allegro and fell on my face. Now I use the step to step down.

Tiffin Allegro Motorhome

There appears to be plenty of basement storage but I didn't realize how much I needed for mandatory stuff. The first compartment contains my auxillary generator, a 5 gallon gas can and whatever else I can cram into it.

The second compartment is for me. It also has an area that runs through to a compartment on the other side. I use that for fishing poles, walking sticks, paddles, etc. The large compartment is for sewer hoses, water hoses, etc. The last compartment contains an Onan 4000 watt onboard generator. There's also a small area for storage.

You should check that the compartment doors are not loose or...they will rattle in the wind...& in the rain...at 3:00 in the morning...while you're trying to sleep...without fail!

Tiffin Allegro Motorhome

On the other side, the first compartment contains 2 5 gallon cylinders of propane and not much else. The large compartment is for me. I store some tools here along with a gas grill & a 2 burner gas stove for outside cooking. A recliner, table for the grill & other things required to lead the good life still have to find their own home. The last compartment contains tight access to the propane lines and some extra storage.

The Allegro came with 4 brand new Michilen tires. All tires still need to be inspected to ensure there's no excessive wear, cracks etc. The inside tires need to be inspected as well as the outside ones. We couldn't really get to the inside ones. One Class "C" we looked at did, in fact, have cracks in one tire from running under inflated tires on a highway.

Tiffin Allegro Motorhome

The spare tire is... well, a spare. I don't think I'd want to change one of those tires anyway.

The ladder is quite a step. I felt like a gymnist when lifting my leg way up to the first step. A little plastic step helps with that. I was afraid putting all my weight on that ladder but it proved to be quite sturdy.

The back end of the motorhome is quite high, presumably to keep it from dragging on roller coaster hills. That however, means I had to get a drop hitch to reach lower riding trailers, tow bars, etc. We'll have to see how that works out.

Are there AC outlets outside? Do they work? How about an outside shower?

The Allegro didn't come with an awning. A couple of days with a blazing sun shining into the home moved that up near the top of my priorities.

Tiffin Allegro Motorhome

Most people don't think to check the roof, especially with that big first step. We did. The rubber roof was in need of repair in several places and there were cracks around the vents. Mr Motorhome corrected all of those problems.

Check the inside ceilings, windows, doors, etc. for water marks & leakage. This Allegro has a carpeting material on the ceiling, presumably to help deaden outside noise. We had a pretty heavy rain a couple of weeks after I bought it & I checked around for dampness.

This motorhome came equipped with a bat wing TV antenna. It didn't go up the way it should but Mr Motorhome fixed that too.

Tiffin Allegro Motorhome

The bedroom has windows with screens & blinds on 3 sides and cabinet space the length of each window. Ample overhead lighting and lights under 2 of the cabinets means I don't have to go far to reach a switch. We checked to make sure each light worked & each window slid open & the screens were OK.

There's a vent with a screened fan over the bed. We didn't check it and sure enough it dosen't work.

Speakers under the cabinet over the bed will be a nice touch if we can get them working with something other than the car radio.

Tiffin Allegro Motorhome

The queen size bed has enough space to walk around 3 sides of it. The Allegro came with a brand new matress still in the plastic covering. I believe it's the law to provide a new matress when selling a motor home. I wasn't too keen on sleeping on someone else's matress.

Night stands on either side of the bed provide extra storage. A LP gas detector is at the base of one nightstand. The LED light was on, hopefully indicating it was in working order.

Tiffin Allegro Motorhome2

The bed lifts up easily and provides a ton of storage space. I still haven't tried the folding door to the bedroom to see if it works.

Tiffin Allegro Motorhome3

The hallway has the refrigerator/freezer & closet on the left & the bathroom on the right. Plenty of space in the frig & freezer for me. The frig & freezer have built in latches to keep them closed. If you're on shore power (generator, outside power source, etc.) the frig/freezer automatically switch to AC electric mode. When that source is disconnected they automatically go back to LP gas.

Not much closet space though. I found this little cabinet thingee that attaches to the coat rack & drops down making 6 seperate storage compartments for underwear, socks, T-shirts, etc. Two drawers are currently being used for dish towels and will soon fill up with other useless stuff I just have to have.

There is also new carpeting throughout the Allegro.

The closet & bathroom doors worked as did the 2 drawers.

Tiffin Allegro Motorhome

The bathroom has a shower and a small tub to stand in with an overhead light & skylight. The hot water tank only contains 6 gallons so there will be no long, luxurious showers here. This is one of those deals where you wet yourself with the hand held shower head, turn it off while you wash, then turn it back on to rinse off. Same thing when washing your hair.

The hot water tank is something that definately needs to be checked. The seller should have gas in the onboard generator, propane in the propane tank & water in the fresh water tank to test everything you want to test. I was advised that if the hot water thingee fired up, it would continue doing so and heat the water. Same thing with the furnace.

Ceiling vent & fan worked. Shower head & light worked too.

Tiffin Allegro Motorhome

A mirror & medicine cabinet are over the sink. A screened vent with an exhaust fan allows steam to be directed outside. This of course was tested.

Tiffin Allegro Motorhome

Sink & counter top stand next to the toilet. There's enough room to sit on the toilet comfortably. That's pretty important when sitting & thinking & solving the world's problems.

The larger pedal on the toilet opens the trap to let the waste go into the black holding tank while the smaller pedal provides water to wash the waste down. (if the water pump has been turned on first.

A switch on the sink turns the water pump on and another turns the hot water tank on.

All were tested & found to be in working order.

That round thingee to the left & bottom of the toilet is a furnace duct outlet. Nice when getting out of a hot shower on a cold day.

Tiffin Allegro Motorhome

The kitchen consists of a 3 burner stove/oven with an exhaust fan, microwave & cabinets overhead & a small double sink. 3 drawers and 2 cabinets plus 1 over the entry door provide storage. There are gauges to monitor the state of the house batteries, propane, fresh water, gray water & black water tanks.

The functionality is all there but there is little room to do stuff. I use the sink to put things in when using the stove and the stove when using the sink. The dinette table becomes pretty important when working under those conditions. Watch out you don't spill stuff on the laptop.

There's a light under the cabinet & 1 under the exhaust fan. For whatever reason, there are 2 AC outlets under the cabinet also. Cords will be dangling down into the sink if you plug anything in to them.

Tested the stove, oven, exhaust fan, microwave, faucets, & light.

Tiffin Allegro Motorhome

25' Class "A" motorhomes typically have either a dinette set or a couch; there's just not enough room for both. The seat on the right has storage space under it. The one on the left has the furnace. I wanted to remove the seat on the right, move the table over there and replace the seat on the left with a swivel recliner. The furnace stymied that idea.

Sit at the table, move around on the seats and get a feel for what it will be like in the long term. There's more room on the seat over the furnace than the one with storage under it.

More overhead cabinets, more dangling AC outlets, more lights & a carbon monoxide detector with it's LED light on. There's a smoke detector over the front door that didn't have a battery & didn't work when I put one in.

Tiffin Allegro Motorhome

The front of the coach has a large TV that is of no use to me. I hope to remove it & build a large glove compartment there for maps & such.

A queen size bed drops down from the ceiling I'm probably going to use it as a storage area for flat objects such as outside tables, recliner, etc.

Of course you'll want to take it out for a test drive before making any final decisions. During our test drive we found noises coming from the rear brakes which Mr. Motorhome fixed before the time of the sale.



Quartzsite, AZ:

I've spent 10 of the last 12 winters around the Quartzsite area in southwest Arizona. This is just a small community of about 2000 souls most of the year. About mid-November, 100's of snow birds (folks from the northern U.S. & Canada) begin drifting in in their huge motor homes, 5th wheels, trailers, campers, vans and assorted other vehicles.

The attraction to these folks is a very moderate climate & firm ground on which to drive & park. Most of the land is administered by the BLM (Bureau of Land Management). Within the Quartzsite area there are 3 short term visitor areas (14 day limit, no facilities) & 4 long term visitor areas ($180 for the season with water and RV dump stations). In addition to the official visitor areas you can camp pretty much anywhere you want, again with a 14 day limit & no facilities before you have to move at least 25 miles for 14 days before returning.

In early December more folks drift in. These guys are here preparing to attend the large RV shows, gem shows and classic car shows held every year in January. Dealers from Arizona & California & as far away as Oregon bring in new and used motorhomes, 5th wheels & campers for sale. Many private vendors also move in to sell the jewelry, carvings & other things their hobbies have created during the year. Still others come to sell the normal swap meet stuff.

From the normal 2000 people, Quartzsite grows to 10's of thousands, becoming the 4th largest town in Arizona for these few short months. Mr. Motorhome, the guys I bought the Allegro from, brought lots of used motor homes down from Sacrmento, CA. as part of this movement.

Ken & I wandered around for a couple of days & kept returning to the Allegro and I finally said OK. While I went off to get the money, Mr. Motorhome brought in an experienced RV expert to perform a pre-delivery inspection on the motorhome. Several minor things were found & fixed before the sale. We were given pretty much the same routine from the expert. Ken was along to pick up on the stuff that went floating over my head. And ShaZaam, I was the owner of an Allegro motorhome.

Honda 2000 Generator:

Tiffin Allegro Motorhome

The first thing I ordered was a Honda 2000 generator to provide auxillary power when boondocking (dry camping in the wilderness). I got it from Motosports of Ukiah. They have the best price around with free delivery & no sales tax. Aside from the cost, the Honda is noted for being one of the most quiet generators around. Not quiet, but most quiet.

This generator is used when the sun won't co-operate with charging my batteries (see Solar Panels below) or I'm doing something the batteries can't handle.

We put oil in the Honda, ran it for 10 hours and then changed the oil to get rid of any crap left in the engine by the manufacturer.

Instead of the shore (electrical) line connecting to a campground hookup like most RVers do, we plug it directly into the Honda. This generator will supply the power to run practically anything, including a mid-size microwave (probably) except an air conditioner. My onboard Onan 4000 is required for that. Since my normal plan excludes hot weather, that's not a problem for me. I won't be using the Onan 4000 simply because it makes too much noise & is located in the area under the bed.

(03/03/11: I actually find myself using the Onan when using the microwave because I don't have to go outside to start it & it only takes a few minutes.)

One of the things the generator supplies power for is a converter which converts AC to DC electrical current. When the shore line is plugged into something, the converter keeps the house batteries (4 Interstate deep cell, 6 volt, Workaholics) charged so lights, etc. that use DC current will always function, even when the shore line is disconnected.

Note: I also run the Onan generator for an hour each month just to keep it alive. At this time I run the furnace at full blast (which I don't normally use) & then the air conditioner (which I also don't normally use) full blast for about 30 minutes each just to get their parts moving.

Kozy-World Heater:

Tiffin Allegro Motorhome

The second thing I bought was a Kozy-World catalytic heater that runs on propane, rather than AC current. I had been told the furnaces on motorhomes are pretty good & provide a lot of heat. Unfortunately, much of that heat goes out the vent & heats the outside, not the home. When using the furnace I've also found it puts a strain on the house batteries.

My friends have a 3 brick Kozy-Korner heater. Since they probably talked to people & researched heaters, their decsion to buy one was good enough for me. My 2 brick Kozy-Korner was a bit pricey @ $200 & another $100 to install a new gas line.

I wasn't very happy about the gas line. What they do is tap into the nearest gas line, which, in this case, was the furnace, with a connector/shut off valve on the end. A hose then leads from the connector to the heater. There probably wasn't much they could do but the connector was facing the wrong way for what I wanted so the hose has to bend back in the other direction puting uneccessary strain on it. Then they only gave me 3 feet of hose & I couldn't even move the heater. I had to have another 4 feet of hose spliced into the original.

Because I don't have slide outs I have limited walking space. During the day, if the heater is required, I place it in the hallway on the far side of the bathroom door facing the living area, giving me heat & access to the bathroom. At night I turn it around facing the bedroom & place it on the other side of the bathroom door. If the heater is running I have to step around it to go from the bedroom to the living area or the other way. I store it in the bathroom during the day when it's not in use. Yeah, I have to move it when nature calls.

The Kozy-World heater has 5 settings. I seldom run it higher than the first setting & even on the coldest nights (20 degrees) I don't turn it above the second setting. I really (probably) only need a one bricker.

Solar Panels:

Tiffin Allegro Motorhome

Spending 4 months a year in southwestern Arizona makes it almost mandatory to use the sun as your primary source of power (and it's free). The first thing I bought after my van was a solar panel... and so, one of the first things I bought for the motorhome was solar panels.

I paid $400+ for a 110 watt panel in 2004 & paid $390 each for 2 panels this year at Solar Bill's in Quartzsite. The motor home came with 2 house batteries but they were both dead. Mr. Motorhome replaced them with 2 Interstate deep cell, 6 volt, Workaholics. Ken built a rack to hold 2 more batteries in the engine compartment and I bought 2 more @ $100 each.

You need a controller to keep the solar panels from overcharging the batteries and to keep the batteries from discharging when not in use. I got a Go Power controller @ $150. And then you need an inverter to convert DC power to AC for use by your appliances. I got a 25 amp Go Power 1750 Inverter @ $270. Installation & assorted other parts brought the total to $2200. Everything was done at Solar Bill's.

So... when the sun is out, the roof mounted solar panels charge your house batteries which is controlled by the controller. Your shore line is plugged into the inverter instead of your campground hookup or generator. It converts the batteries' DC current to AC current as the workload demands. The only catch in all this is the converter (see Honda 2000 discussion above), converts AC current received from the shoreline (which is now connected to the inverter) to DC current to charge the batteries. These, however, are now being charged by the solar panels and being converted to AC current by the inverter which the converter then converts back to DC. In technical terms, this is called a loop-de-doop. This is solved by simply turning the converter (AC/DC) off when the inverter (DC/AC) is in use and turning it back on when the generator or campground hookup are being used & the inverter is turned off. Nothing terribly bad happens if you forget to turn off one or the other; just a lot of wasted energy.

I have 2 problems related to this. 1) my shoreline is located underneath the middle of the Allegro. Because of limited space, it was decided to mount the inverter behind the driver's seat. The shoreline then has to run outside & in the driver's door or window to the inverter... not very ellegant.

2) When following this procedure, 'something' is drawing down the batteries way out of proportion to the demand being made on them... not good. We've tried isolating the problem by turning off various circuit breakers without any luck. What we need is a clamp on DC current meter that detects current flow through the wires. They're in the $200 to $500 range so another solution is needed.

Our short term solution is to forget the shoreline entirely. The inverter has 2 AC outlets. I have a TV/DVD player in the bedroom & my laptops & various battery chargers (cell phone, MP3 player, etc.) in the living area. We simply run an extension cord to a power strip in the bedroom and another cord to the power strip in the living area. The power being used is now as expected.

Check that the solar panel supports are tightened securely. Otherwise you might find yourself up on the roof at 3:00 in the morning with it pouring down rain and a howling wind blowing as you try to stop them from rattling. Even with them tightened there may be a whistling noise as the wind blows around them.

Leveling:

Holding Tanks:

The Allegro has a 40 gallon fresh water tank, a 20 gallon black water tank (toilet waste) & a 20 gallon gray water tank (shower & sink water). That may sound like a lot but it's not. With just 1 person, I use that up in 5 days or so. Then I have to go to the dump station to get rid of the black & gray tanks & fill up the fresh water tank. I leave the water pump & the hot water tank off except when in use.

Awning:

Tiffin Allegro Motorhome

The motor home did not come with an awning. I want the outside living area & the solar panels to face to the south to pick up the day's strongest sun for charging batteries & for enjoying the sun. The sun is hot and magnified when shining through the windows, making things pretty uncomfortable inside & forcing the refrigerator/freezer to work overtime.

The Gambler, in Quartzsite offers factory seconds as well as used awnings, installed. I thought I was ordering a used one but as far as I can tell it & the struts were brand new... even had an instruction booklet. $500 installed.

The angle of the sun on the awning shields the side of the motor home but doesn't do much for shielding me when I'm outside. So I got an awning screen ($50) to do the job. Hooks fit into the awning housing & stakes hold it down.

Vent Covers:

Vent covers allow me to have the bathroom and/or bedroom vents open even when it's raining. That can be pretty important when it's 90 degrees & raining.

The main covers simply fit over the standard size vents. One side of a bracket is attached to the vent lip & the other side to the vent cover.

Worked fine for the bathroom vent but the one in the bedroom was a little more complicated. It's plastic & has a frame within a frame so I couldn't fasten a bolt to the lip. I used self tapping screws but once they work loose in the plastic they can't really be tightened again.

I found out pretty quickly to push the cover towards the back of the roof (the high end where the vent is). Had the bathroom vent all cinched down then found I didn't have enough room to lower the vent.

I mounted everything the same as before & added a lot of construction adhesive to the bottom of the cover. Sure hope I don't have to remove it for something.

I paid about $25 for each of the main covers. I got Campco (I think).

Towing:

Tiffin Allegro Motorhome

I was considering a Toyota size 4X4 truck with a cap but finally decided to keep my van. I bought it new, know its been maintained properly & I still want to take off from where ever I am & go where ever I want, when ever I want.

The Allegro came with a hitch rated at 3500 pounds. I used the scales at a truck stop to weigh the van & it topped out at 6000 pounds with another 500 pounds of stuff yet to be stored back in it. I talked to United Ironworks in Yuma & they, not having seen the van, suggested a 12000 pound hitch at about $500+ (apparently there wasn't a 10000 pounder that would fit my motorhome).

I was pleasently surprised when, after looking at the van, he said they could just re-enforce the current hitch with some welds, brackets & struts. All this with the 12000 pound hitch laying right there on the floor waiting to be installed. Saved me $300.

Drive Line Disconnet:

This & That:

Heating Core:

Shortly after buying the Allegro, I found a leak from the engine... turned out to be the heater core, a little radiator looking thingee for the heater. No problemo, Mr. Motorhome said they'd get it fixed. The mechanic, however, found the part he'd ordered didn't fit & was unable to find one that would... & more or less gave up.

Mr Motorhome really didn't have any incentive to pursue the matter very strongly so it was left to yours truly who knows squat about cars, trucks & motor homes. I got on the 'net' and googled "heater core" Yuma, (100 miles away) and found Radiator Direct in Yuma.

When I described the core to them they said it was a dealer item, specially made for the motor home and not available off the shelf. I called a Tiffin dealer & of course they didn't have any, nor would they be getting any for such an old motor home.

A friend knows the owner of the Allegro manufacturer & told them my problem. They gave her a part number & the manufacturer. Back on the 'net' I find their web site is down for apparent lack of payment.

Back to Radiator Direct. They said if I brought it in they would look at it but doubted it could be fixed but they might be able to replace the middle while keeping the two ends which apparently make the heater core for this 1997 Allegro unique. I was going to Yuma shortly anyway & took the core with me.

They looked at it & said they could order the part & ship the radiator back to me in 5 days. Low & behold, the new part worked & I got it in just a few days which included the New Year's weekend.

I presented the invoice to Mr Motorhome & they paid that amount right away. I scheduled an appointment with the mechanic & he put it in with no problems. Well, almost no problems. I get heat out of the defroster just fine. I also get get heat out of the defroster just fine when I turn it on heat. I also get heat out of the defroster just fine when I turn on the air conditioner and all other buttons. The mechanic was contracted to put in the heater core only so I'll have them look at it when I take the motor home in for a 90K mile inspection so I'll know exactly what it is I'm driving.

So, one more thing to bear in mind when buying an older motor home... the availability of replacement parts.

90K Mile Inspection:

I had decided early on to take the motorhome in to a qualified mechanic for a thorough inspection so I would know exactly what I was driving. Better to fix it now than try to get it fixed on the road. There's a Chevy dealer in nearby Parker where they have a large bay for motorhomes. Not all dealers have the large bays.

They fixed the heater & found the air conditioner needs $1200 for some kind of retrofit to get it functioning again...not this year. They told me the rest of the engine stuff was in excellent condition.

Life Style Changes:

The past 12 years, with the truck & van, I've been able to go pretty much where I want. Setting up & breaking camp was a fairly quick & simple matter. I won't be able to do that with the Allegro. I won't be able to go to many of the places I've been before and will have to seek out camping areas that can accomodate the 25' motor home & a truck. Setting up & breaking camp will be more complicated & take a lot longer. This will probably mean I'll be staying in one spot for longer periods of time.

01-15-11: I'm planning a trip up the Pacific Coast this summer & for the above reasons am seriously considering leaving the Allegro behind. At this poinnt, I really don't know what I can & can't do with it & where it can & can't go... and I'd like not to spend the summer getting myself out of situations I really shouldn't have gotten into.

I've been doing a lot of research on free & low cost camping along the Pacific Coast (see) California, Oregon & Washington Logistics). While there appears to be some camping available for RVs, right now it seems to be pot luck as to whether the information I found is correct & up to date. So, the thinking right now is to put the motor home in storage and pack up the van again & make a scouting foray up the coast this year... and I won't have to make a decsion on what & how I'm going to tow a second vehicle this year.

A second thought is to be a campground host at some really cool spot somewhere, do my duty, receive some pay and have cool things to do nearby on my days off. Of course I'm not the only one with that thought & it would be one of last resort for me.



Year: 1997
Length: 25ft
Transmission: Automatic
Sleeps: 4
A/C: Yes
Awning: No
Exterior: Fiberglass
Decor: Tan
Bedroom: Queen
Stove: Yes
Sound System: No
Fuel Tank: 60 Gal
Grey Water: 20 Gal
Manufacturer: Tiffen
Miles: 43000
Chassis:
Leveling Jacks: No
Heating: Yes
Emergency/Aux Start: Yes
Electric Step: Yes
Dining Style: Dinette
Refrigerator: Yes
Counter Tops: No
Satellite Dish: No
LP Gas: 27 Gal
Fuel Tank: 60 Gal
Waste Water: 20 gal
Model: Allegro
Engine: 454 Chevy
Slide Outs: No
Exterior Camera: No
Generator: Onan 4000
TV: Yes
Tires: Good
Sofa/Couch: No
Microwave: Yes
Windows: Sliding
Electrical Svc: Yes
Fresh Water: 40 Gal
Batteries: 3
Water Heater: Yes




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