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Van Conversion

You probably don't recognize me without my cape.


I had been thinking about getting a van in a year or so when I visited Mark, Becky and Lisie in Colorado in November, 2003.  One afternoon Mark suggested we go look at vans for something to do.  I should have known better because in the 70's we also went looking at vans and I bought one.  In the 80's we went looking at cars and I bought one.  I was spared in the 90's because he was a couple thousand miles away.  An hour or two after we went out this time Becky got a call warning that we'd be bringing back a 2003 Dodge Ram Van 2500.  They made me an offer I couldn't refuse and not being one to turn down a $7000 saving, I didn't.

The next day we went to a couple of van conversion places outside of Denver but their prices were out of sight so when Mark said he'd help I jumped at the offer.  Unfortunately he had to leave on a business trip in a couple of days so time was the main factor in design and materials.

Van Conversion3/4 inch plywood went down on the bare floor, held down with adhesive and a few sheet metal screws.  The van we bought in the 70's had 1X2's with foam insulation boards cut out to fit between them with 1/2 inch (I think) plywood on top  The plywood helps deaden road noise, provides insulation and gives a foundation into which other components can be screwed.

More foam insulation boards were cut to fit between the ribs along the sides and across the ceiling.  The area by the rear doors had  no ribs on either side.  Mark used an existing rib as a template and made two ribs out of a 1X10.  While not particularly strong they worked well as a foundation when we screwed 1/4 inch plywood over the insulation.


Van ConversionHere's Mark busy stapling carpet to the floor after spreading a fair amount of adhesive over the plywood first.  We found a roll of  leftover outdoor carpeting at Home Depot and we used that on both the floor and the walls.  Of course areas under the bed and cabinets and behind the cabinets can't be seen.  The only areas the carpet is really visible now are the wall where Mark's head is, the aisle by his feet and the 'foyer' by the double side doors.

We tried putting carpet up on the ceiling but that didn't work out too well, it was just to bulky and cumbersome.  We made one brace out of a 2X4 with a cross piece that helped some but it was a little too short and we had no spare lumber.  If the base had been high enough to reach the ceiling and if we had a couple more we might have made it.  As it is, the blue ceiling will do quite nicely for a while.

The ceiling of the van is rounded and this causes lots of problems.  Whereas nice, clean, sharp angles can be measured and easily cut for, curved surfaces are more difficult.  Mark solved the rounded corner problem by carpeting all the way around them and right over the taillights.  I saw some bulges along the edge and would have cut through them to smooth them out.  Not Mark, he cut a slice through the top of the corner and pulled the bulges right out.

Once the carpeting was up we had a little fun squirting foam into most of the remaining cracks and crannies around wheel wells, etc.


Van ConversionSince we were pressed for time, building shelves and cabinets was not considered.  We opted instead for standard cabinets at Home Depot.  Cost was also a consideration so we went with the plain, white, garage/work shop type cabinets rather than the prettier and more expensive wood grain ones.

Two shorter but deeper cabinets fit quite nicely on the bottom and supported a longer, shallower cabinet on top of them.  The curved roof caused problems again since the top of the wall jutted out several inches more than the bottom.  Holding a plum line at the top and dropping it down to the floor clearly showed the difference.  So, the bottom cabinets are about 22 inches deep and the top only 15.  You can see some of the difference in the picture.

Of course the wheel well was also in the way of the bottom cabinets.  Mark simply cut out the inside corners of the bottoms and sides to fit around the wheel well.  That left plenty of support, especially when he screwed them together.

My first van had a hutch in the same place.  Wider cabinets made out of 1/2" plywood (I think) sat on the floor.  Then came an 12" open space for cooking, etc.  A much narrower cabinet hung above the cooking area.  This was held in place with just a couple of screws at the top.  The weight of the bottom pushing inward helped hold the whole thing up.


Van ConversionLisie held her end of things down while Mark added carpeting around the sides of the bed frame he made of 2X4's and plywood.

The bed fits over the wheel well on the long side of the van with no adjustments.  Two 3/4" plywood squares sit on top of the frame and are hinged to provide easy access to all that storage space underneath.  Becky came up with a nice mattress to complete this very comfortable bed.

In the other van, the bed was made completely from plywood.  The top was also cut in two for easier access.  What made this one different was it opened up into a double bed.  The outer side, the one towards the aisle, had a one inch lip at the top.  Attached lengthwise to that were two hinged boards that lifted out and up individually.  When they did, two hinged legs came down from each forming an extension to the bed.

When closed, the bed was a 6+ foot long seat with two 3 inch foam cushions to sit on and two matching 3 inch foam backrests.  When opened into a bed the back rests were laid beside the cushions to become the other part of the mattress.


Van ConversionA little more than 2 days hard work produced some very nice results, don't you think?  You can see piles of my junk up front as I'm all ready to take off for New Mexico and then Arizona for the winter after taking these pictures.

Notice the carpet panels on the doors.  Mark simply cut carpet about 2 inches higher and wider than needed.  Then he folded that extra inch around the sides making a panel and screwed them onto the doors.

We didn't insulate the doors nor did we do anything to the driving area of the van.


Van ConversionHere's Mark looking smug and self satisfied (as well he should) on a job well done while the boss looks on.  Becky was in on the project from the start, offering ideas and support and food throughout.  She was also kind enough to handle all the paperwork for registering the van in Colorado while I took my temporary plates and registration and headed south.

Van ConversionWhat was I doing all this time?  Well... there must have been a reason Mark saved the bed construction for last.

I did many of the mindless, menial tasks and some might say I was well qualified to perform them too.  I managed to rip a pair of pants completely up the seam without realizing it until I felt a cold draft.  I managed to get adhesive all over my pants, shirt and hat.  It took a week before I got it all off my hands.  I also managed to get big gobs of it in my hair.  I didn't know that until I washed my hair that night.

All in all I'd say I managed quite a bit.


The first night I actually spent in the van was in Albuquerque, NM.  The single digit temperature was a little more than I had bargained for.  Even so, the 3000 BTU Coleman heater kept off much of the chill.  In the morning I found thick ice on the inside of the windshield, not the outside.  So, I made a bee-line to western Arizona where I spend my winters.

Van ConversionOne of my first little projects was to add spring loaded tension rods in the cabinets.  The first time I took the van out after storing the food away I was quite proud the cupboard doors held up when I stopped a little faster than planned and also went around a corner a little faster than expected.  And then I opened the door and got an armload of food because it had all shifted.  These rods do the job quite well.

I tried utilizing the few inches above the cabinets by jamming little baskets of odds and ends up there.  That didn't work too well because they came falling out anytime I hit a little rough road and I do that a lot.  Not enough room to store blankets but I'll find something to stick up there sooner or later.


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Home Sweet Home, front to back and back to front.  I found a thick, wooden closet rod at Home Depot.  Shirts and sweaters behind the driver's seat.  Pants and coats at the end of the cabinets by the side doors.  Two 2 foot square Rubber Maid containers fit behind the driver's seat and bed on the floor.  The shirts hang down over one and I have cooking stuff stacked on top of the other.  I had a narrow closet and shelve made from small dishpans sliding in on runners in this spot in the old van.  Two little children's drawers stacked on top of each other serve as a night stand and junk drawers.

The Coleman lantern comes in handy on cool nights.  It generates some heat, provides light and doesn't tap into the batteries.  When things get colder I break out the Coleman's catalytic heater for relief.



Van ConversionWhere, you might ask, are the kitchen, shower and toilet?  Right there in front.  There's the kitchen table and stove, the red bucket is for washing (me) and the white one for rinsing.  When the need for a toilet arises, and there are none available, I grab the old trusty shovel and TP and wander off into the desert or forest or where ever.  It works for me.

The foyer, or the area by the side doors, is covered with plastic.  The real reason I got the van was to have a place to bathe and cook when it's cold or rainy or windy or when I need privacy.  The plastic allows me to drip a little water while bathing and be able to mop it up.

I've got little baskets on side of the door holding silverware, etc. in the top ones and bathing stuff in the bottom.  Bath and kitchen towels on the other door.

A door mat is required to keep from tracking dust and other debris into the van.  I also use it to catch the dirt from the 7 gallon water jugs when I set them inside.


In my mind, a new van always went hand in hand with a solar electrical system.  I wanted this system so I could park up on a mountain or out in the desert for days or weeks at a time if I want and not have to run the engine to generate electrical power.

Quartzsite, AZ is not much more than a truck stop in the summer but swells to become the 3rd largest city/town in Arizona during the winter months.  Tens of thousands (100,000's?) of Rv'ers come from all over the country to winter here, especially those from the northwest, great lakes and British Columbia.  I knew there were several solar places there so I figured that would be the place to come to get things done right.



Van ConversionI wanted to be able to charge the auxiliary batteries from the van's alternator whenever I was on the road.  I couldn't see any sense in all that power going to waste.

The upper red cables are plugged into the power line below the voltage regular.  The van's voltage regulator prevents the house batteries from being overcharged while on the road, the same as it does for the starting battery.  The silver thing on the right above the battery is a battery relay.  This was installed to break the line when the engine is turned off.  That way if I draw the house batteries all the way down I can't draw the starting battery down too.

The blue cables run from the relay to the thing in the middle which is a line protector.  If I burn up the house wires, somehow it keeps the fire from spreading to the engine.  The blue cables run out of the line protector down under the van to  the new house batteries in the back.  


Van ConversionGuess how much the batteries cost?

I could have put the batteries behind the driver's seat but that would have taken much of that entire area away from me.  I could have put them under the bed but they need ventilation when they're charging.  It would have also added close to 100 pounds to that side of the van in addition to the 35 gallon gas tank.  So I was left with the front or back cabinets on the other side of the van.  I chose the back cabinet because I have a night stand thingee in the aisle in front of it making access to the cabinets difficult anyway.  I do hope not to have to get at the batteries very often.

I saw several other brands of batteries elsewhere but nothing but Interstate in Quartzsite.  Rightly or wrongly, I consider this area to be the experts on batteries and solar panels so I went along with the crowd and got the small Interstate deep cell marine batteries.

The RV guy talked me into two 6 volt marine deep cell batteries rather than the two 12 volters I thought I wanted.  Somehow you get more power from the 6 volts than 12's and they were cheaper?  The red cable runs from the alternator, under the van and up through a hole in the floor in the rear corner to provide charging power when the engine is running.

Above the batteries to the left is the DC fuse panel.  Everything I run that requires DC electricity goes through the fuse panel.  Right now all I have is a couple of lights and a DC cigarette lighter outlet running off the DC current.   I have an adapter with two cigarette lighter outlets plugged into the single one.  One of my satellite receiver docking stations and my old Radio Shack 115 volt DC To AC power inverter are plugged into these outlets.

The inverter sits on a little shelf on the other side of the cabinet wall.  When turned on the inverter provides power for the laptop, boom box, etc.  This inverter makes no noise at all and runs the everything I normally use with no problem. I have connections for a second 350 watt inverter installed but the noise from its fan is quite loud, particularly in a confined space.  I only use it when I have everything I own turned on at the same time.

The thing to the right of the fuse panel is the back of the voltage regulator for the solar panel.


Van ConversionWhat I didn't know was I would need a larger solar panel to charge the 6 volt deep cell marine  batteries and a larger voltage regulator to prevent the solar panel from overcharging them.

This is a Maxtor 110 watt solar panel (27"X53") that puts out the 9 amps required to charge my deep cell batteries in a reasonable manner.  You're supposed to turn the panel as the sun moves to obtain optimal performance.  I've managed to get 8.7 amps out of it during peak sun and temperature periods.  The voltage regulator monitors the state of the batteries and allows the current from the panel in only when needed to keep them from being overcharged.  It also keeps the battery from draining back out at night.

At least for now, I use my two 7 gallon waters jugs to tie down the panel so it doesn't blow away.  When one jug is empty I tie it to a bucket of rocks.  The winds are frequent and high in the desert country.  My very first night out with the panel, the winds came and if the panel hadn't been tied down I'd be looking for a new one.   The van is frequently rocking with winds in the 40's or 50's.

Rather than wire the panel directly to the voltage regulator, we attached an 18" pigtail with the female end of a 12 gauge extension cord.  The male end of the cable can then be inserted and removed as desired.  Another female part is at the other end of the cable.  It plugs into a second male part that dangles down under the truck out of sight.  The other end of that is what is connected to the voltage regulator which in turn is connected to the batteries.  This way I can store the panel and the extension cord separately as I choose.

Notice the steel cable and lock in the middle of the steel bumper.  I was told over and over to keep the panel locked down so it won't walk away.  The steel cable and extension cord are each about 15 feet long.  The panel stays at the back of the van when camping.  The 15 feet gives me plenty of room to move it from one side of the van  to the other as the sun moves through the sky.

The next problem is where to store the panel when traveling.  It stays out overnight when camping but I carry it on top of the bed for protection when on the move. I do have to move it to the aisle if I sleep over at Wal-Mart's, etc.   I think I'll eventually build a storage box on top of the cab.  I can't do that though until I pick up a canoe to see exactly how the two requirements will work out together.

All in all, the only thing beyond the average handy person was the hookup to charge the house batteries from the alternator while on the road.  This mostly involved finding the correct wires to splice into.  I did very little of this work.  I'm about as handy as a frog in a hot furnace and hired an RV guy in Quartzsite to do most of the work.  The expense was well worth having the job done right the first time.

09/20/04 Van update:

I've been in the van almost a year already so I guess it's time for an update on how things are working out.

As you can see from the picture there have been a couple of modifications.  I needed a place to store the solar panel so it would be out of the way when not in use.  I broke the lock and tightening mechanism on one of the Salris roof racks and had to buy a Yakima replacement and kept the good Salris also.

Mark and I built a plain old box out of 1/2" outdoor plywood and 2X4's, painted it and installed it between the two Yakima racks.  The Salris is still there at the end of the van.  A 2X4 divider allows me to store the solar panel in one compartment and the extension cord and security cable in the other.

I want to start cycling but had a chicken and egg problem; do I get the bike and then the rack, the rack and then the bike or both together.  A trailer hitch would cost a couple hundred dollars and another couple hundred for a rack to fit it which I didn't want to pay.  I also didn't want it sticking out the back, even if it does fold down, because I need/want constant access through the back doors.

I could have put the hitch in the front but I still didn't want to spend the money.  Front end racks are harder and harder to come by as the hitch hookups gain popularity.  While visiting in New Hampshire a friend said his neighbor is a welder and does work for the neighbors so off we went to see him.  He said sure, no problem.

He welded two small plates with holes to the frame.  Then used heavy duty square tubing to build the frame.  It had two plates with holes that are bolted to the plates on the frame.  4 self setting screws attach the frame to the under carriage under the radiator.  Very strong... I stand on it to wash the windshield.  All for $75.

The biggest disappointment has been the cabinets.  I'm way in the back country much of the time with poor roads, if any, and tilt the van in all kinds of weird and crazy angles.  This has caused the screws attaching it to the side of the van to come loose.  I've gotten a couple of 1X2's and nailed a little cross section at the end of each and secure them between the cabinet doors and the far wall as braces.  Works fine but is somewhat of a pain to remember to put them in before driving.

I think what I need to do is remove the top cabinets and secure a 1X2 firmly to the wall and then secure the back of the cabinets to the 1X2.  It probably wouldn't hurt to keep using the braces either.

Aluminum cans leave black marks on the white shelving.  They do the same on contact paper.  I found some rubber like, non-skid stuff for shelves that prevents the marking.  Dye from boxes and labels leave their colors on the sides and back.  No solution for that yet.

07/28/07 Van update:

You would think that 2 7 gallon water containers weighing close to 100 pounds would be pretty secure.  NOT SO!  Severe winds coming from behind push the solar panel over and the water containers over on top of it causing dings which loses a little of the panel's wattage.  Not Good!  Now I place a 1X2 on the ground in front of the solar panel and just lean it against the water container.  If the wind blows the panel over it lands on the 1X2 and no harm done.

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The top cabinet finally disintegrated on me.  While driving on a particularly bad road in Wyoming one of the ends came loose from the top.  Bought a 750 watt inverter, a drill, a bunch of bits and 1X2's to add support.  Emptied the cabinet and tried to pull it out the back of the van and it fell completely apart.

Drove 100 miles to a Home Depot to get another one and they didn't carry them anymore.  I wasn't about to spend a week running around looking for one so opted for a bunch of plastic drawers at Wal-Mart and have them stacked on top of, and glued to, the bottom cabinet and each other. 

Use bungees running from a hole I drilled in the top drawer to the bottom cabinet to keep them from spilling out.  When traveling I have a 1X2 braced against them to keep the whole works from falling forward.  I've forgotten to but the brace up a couple of times on rough road but it didn't fall down.  I expect over time they would break loose and would fall down.

Will probably replace that with the same cabinets.  This time I will use L brackets on the top corners of the top cabinet and the bottom corners of the bottom cabinets for support.  Maybe run a 1X2 on the inside for additional support.


12/18/07 Van update:

It has been suggested that instead of using bungees, you could glue a stack of small washers together.  These would be high enough to keep the drawer from opening low enough to lift the drawer up over them to open.

The drawers and the glue seem to be holding up well.  When driving, I usually have a brace running from the adjacent wall to the center of the drawers.  I often forget and so far, no problems when I do.



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